Type 8: The boss, the challenger

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E-SymEightlabeled1The Powerful, Dominating Type:
Self-Confident, Decisive, Willful, and Confrontational

For more about the meaning of the arrows, see below.

Type Eight in Brief

Eights are self-confident, strong, and assertive. Protective, resourceful, straight-talking, and decisive, but can also be ego-centric and domineering. Eights feel they must control their environment, especially people, sometimes becoming confrontational and intimidating. Eights typically have problems with their tempers and with allowing themselves to be vulnerable.At their Best: self- mastering, they use their strength to improve others’ lives, becoming heroic, magnanimous, and inspiring.

  • Basic Fear: Of being harmed or controlled by others
  • Basic Desire: To protect themselves (to be in control of their own life
    and destiny)
  • Enneagram Eight with a Seven-Wing: “The Maverick”
  • Enneagram Eight with a Nine-Wing: “The Bear”

Key Motivations: Want to be self-reliant, to prove their strength and resist weakness, to be important in their world, to dominate the environment, and to stay in control of their situation.

The Meaning of the Arrows (in brief)

When moving in their Direction of Disintegration (stress), self-confident Eights suddenly become secretive and fearful at Five. However, when moving in their Direction of Integration (growth), lustful, controlling Eights become more open-hearted and caring, like healthy Twos.

Examples: Martin Luther King, Jr., Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson,Mikhail Gorbachev, G.I. Gurdjieff, Pablo Picasso, Richard Wagner, Sean Connery, Susan Sarandon, Glenn Close, John Wayne, Charlton Heston,Norman Mailer, Mike Wallace, Barbara Walters, Ann Richards, Toni Morrison,Lee Iococca, Donald Trump, Frank Sinatra, Bette Davis, Roseanne Barr,James Brown, Chrissie Hynde, Courtney Love, Leona Helmsley, Sigourney Weaver, Fidel Castro, Saddham Hussein, and John McCain.

Type Eight Overview

We have named personality type Eight The Challenger because, of all the types, Eights enjoy taking on challenges themselves as well as giving others opportunities that challenge them to exceed themselves in some way. Eights are charismatic and have the physical and psychological capacities to persuade others to follow them into all kinds of endeavors—from starting a company, to rebuilding a city, to running a household, to waging war, to making peace.

Eights have enormous willpower and vitality, and they feel most alive when they are exercising these capacities in the world. They use their abundant energy to effect changes in their environment—to “leave their mark” on it—but also to keep the environment, and especially other people, from hurting them and those they care about. At an early age, Eights understand that this requires strength, will, persistence, and endurance—qualities that they develop in themselves and which they look for in others.

Thayer is a stockbroker who has worked intensively on understanding her type Eight personality. She recounts a childhood incident in which she could clearly see the development of this pattern.

“Much of my tenacity and toughness comes from my Dad. He always told me not to ‘let anybody push you around.’ It was not okay to cry. I learned to master my weaker side early on. At the tender age of eight, a huge horse ran away with me. When an adult caught the horse, I resolutely dismounted without a tear. I could tell my father was proud.”

Eights do not want to be controlled or to allow others to have power over them (their Basic Fear), whether the power is psychological, sexual, social, or financial. Much of their behavior is involved with making sure that they retain and increase whatever power they have for as long as possible. An Eight may be a general or a gardener, a small businessman or a mogul, the mother of a family or the superior of a religious community. No matter: being “in charge” and leaving their imprint on their sphere is uniquely characteristic of them.

Eights are the true “rugged individualists” of the Enneagram. More than any other type, they stand alone. They want to be independent, and resist being indebted to anyone. They often refuse to “give in” to social convention, and they can defy fear, shame, and concern about the consequences of their actions. Although they are usually aware of what people think of them, they do not let the opinions of others sway them. They go about their business with a steely determination that can be awe inspiring, even intimidating to others.

Although, to some extent, Eights fear physical harm, far more important is their fear of being disempowered or controlled in some way. Eights are extraordinarily tough and can absorb a great deal of physical punishment without complaint—a double-edged blessing since they often take their health and stamina for granted and overlook the health and well-being of others as well. Yet they are desperately afraid of being hurt emotionally and will use their physical strength to protect their feelings and keep others at a safe emotional distance. Beneath the tough façade is vulnerability, although it has been covered over by layer of emotional armor.

Thus, Eights are often extremely industrious, but at the price of losing emotional contact with many of the people in their lives. Those close to them may become increasingly dissatisfied with this state of affairs, which confounds Eights. (“I don’t understand what my family is complaining about. I bust my hump to provide for them. Why are they disappointed with me?”)

When this happens, Eights feel misunderstood and may distance themselves further. In fact, beneath their imposing exterior, Eights often feel hurt and rejected, although this is something they seldom talk about because they have trouble admitting their vulnerability to themselves, let alone to anyone else. Because they fear that they will be rejected (divorced, humiliated, criticized, fired, or harmed in some way), Eights attempt to defend themselves by rejecting others first. The result is that average Eights become blocked in their ability to connect with people or to love since love gives the other power over them, reawakening their Basic Fear.

The more Eights build up their egos in order to protect themselves, the more sensitive they become to any real or imaginary slight to their self-respect, authority, or preeminence. The more they attempt to make themselves impervious to hurt or pain (whether physical or emotional), the more they “shut down” emotionally to become hardened and rock-like.

When Eights are emotionally healthy, however, they have a resourceful, “can-do” attitude as well as a steady inner drive. They take the initiative and make things happen with a great passion for life. They are honorable and authoritative—natural leaders who have a solid, commanding presence. Their groundedness gives them abundant “common sense” as well as the ability to be decisive. Eights are willing to “take the heat,” knowing that any decision cannot please everyone. But as much as possible, they want to look after the interests of the people in their charge without playing favorites. They use their talents and fortitude to construct a better world for everyone in their lives.

(from The Wisdom of the Enneagram, p. 289-291)


Next Actions

  • Do you often find yourself fighting for other people’s rights with no fear of any repercussions?
  • Do people who take ages to make a point irritate you the most?
  • Are you a natural leader?
  • Do you think you are a practical person i.e. the one to get the job done?

Some tips to help make the positive side of your personality type shine through:

  • Learn to control your “confrontational” side.
  • Life is not black and white. Human beings create complex problems and it may not always be apparent which side is the “right” one.
  • Learn to allow others to take the lead sometimes.
  • Learn to manage your anger properly. Suppressing your angry feelings isn’t enough as that can cause problems too.

Work on your tendency to bully and be controlling. Concentrate on remembering that everyone is not created equal – some are not as strong as others and it is these that need your protection not you’re bullying.


  • adry silvi

    asa este!

  • Oana

    Interesant, as vrea si continuarea, te rog! 🙂

  • Madalina


  • olioti

    ma regasesc,chiar daca nu in totalitate

  • nicoleta

    intr-adevar este o maniera in a te descoperi pe tine insuti…astept continuarea

  • Donald Duck

    Eu sunt N si ma regasesc in totalitate in textul de mai sus. Intotdeauna am fost tentata sa adopt atitudinea S, ba chiar am incercat de cateva ori sa fac liste, program pas cu pas, dar de fiecare data am simtit ca mai tare imi ingreuneaza activitatile . De asemenea, am un amic pe care l-am dorit partener in diverse activitati, dar niciodata nu le-am dus pana la capat pentru ca intotdeauna ne certam inainte sa le incepem. Aproape toate discutiile noastre aveau tiparul urmator:
    Eu : – Vino la mine in oras saptamana viitoare.
    El : – In ce zi?
    Eu: – Cand ai liber.
    El: …..
    – La ce ora sa vin?
    Cu ce masina?
    Ce o sa facem?
    O sa ne plimbam zici, unde?
    Pana reusea sa ma plictiseasca si sa ma enerveze si renuntam la propunere.

  • Alexandra

    Eu sunt S ….. dar ma regasesc in descrierea N……indiferent de cate ori repet testul….raman S.Totusi actionez de cele mai multe ori ca un N 🙁 …..cum se poate?

  • Irin

    Eh…la naiba!
    Chiar mi se potriveste!
    Cica sunt 8 – conducatorul…in schimb, n-am inteles prea bine faza cu ceea ce-mi da de furca: e vorba de ambalarea peste masura in executarea sarcinilor, perfectionismul….care ma duce/aduce la epuizare…din dorinta de a fi prima, de a domina si de-aici…. de a excela?!

  • Diana

    Da, sustin continuarea cu toate ca nu prea cred in evolutie rapida. A cladi ceva durabil sau a recladi dureaza ceva mai mult decat am vrea noi. Ca si in curele de slabire 🙂

  • Alexandra Stanciu

    in mine se zbate si N-ul (care a iesit in testul MBTI – mi-a iesit INFJ, si pot sa zic ca in mare am fost din copilarie chiar o persoana intuitiva) si S-ul (in prezent prezint “simptome”de S) si nu imi dau seama daca latura S e de fapt o parte in care m-am educat sa fiu profi si sa studiez atent si profesionist totul si sa nu arunc totul pe intuitie sau am fost tot timpul un melanj intre cele doua?

  • Delia


  • Laura

    Multumesc pentru aceste teste:).Mi-ar placea si te rog sa pui continuarea.Munca ta nu e o risipa:)

  • rammonka


  • bianca

    eu sunt ESTJ e de bine???